1 00:00:00,140 --> 00:00:14,910 [Music] 2 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:21,830 um 3 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:32,549 [Music] 4 00:00:36,630 --> 00:00:35,270 now your electrifying hosts of exploring 5 00:00:42,950 --> 00:00:36,640 the bazaar 6 00:00:47,430 --> 00:00:45,830 me to the schwartz and let me play among 7 00:00:51,189 --> 00:00:47,440 the stars 8 00:00:51,670 --> 00:00:51,199 let me see what's going on on jupiter 9 00:00:55,990 --> 00:00:51,680 and 10 00:00:59,110 --> 00:00:56,000 mars well tim you're in a strange 11 00:01:00,069 --> 00:00:59,120 mood tonight why are we outdoors looking 12 00:01:03,750 --> 00:01:00,079 up at the stars 13 00:01:07,109 --> 00:01:03,760 is this uh another ufo sky watch 14 00:01:08,230 --> 00:01:07,119 oh no i'm hoping to get a glimpse of our 15 00:01:11,350 --> 00:01:08,240 guest tonight 16 00:01:12,789 --> 00:01:11,360 i hear he may be on one of his astral 17 00:01:16,390 --> 00:01:12,799 voyages and i thought 18 00:01:18,950 --> 00:01:16,400 we might see him floating by 19 00:01:20,149 --> 00:01:18,960 oh okay but i don't know if that's 20 00:01:22,630 --> 00:01:20,159 possible i think 21 00:01:23,670 --> 00:01:22,640 don't you become invisible while uh 22 00:01:28,630 --> 00:01:23,680 you're in your uh 23 00:01:31,429 --> 00:01:28,640 astral body i'm not so sure about that 24 00:01:34,310 --> 00:01:31,439 our friend maria the shaman says she's 25 00:01:37,510 --> 00:01:34,320 seen all kinds of creatures and beings 26 00:01:40,230 --> 00:01:37,520 floating by when a portal or gateway 27 00:01:41,109 --> 00:01:40,240 opens it can be really strange really 28 00:01:47,749 --> 00:01:41,119 weird 29 00:01:53,270 --> 00:01:49,990 look here comes one of those creatures 30 00:01:56,950 --> 00:01:55,270 okay well this one doesn't look very 31 00:01:59,670 --> 00:01:56,960 friendly so 32 00:02:00,389 --> 00:01:59,680 get get so i suggest we get back to the 33 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:00,399 kcr 34 00:02:03,590 --> 00:02:02,799 studios and hide under our broadcast 35 00:02:07,670 --> 00:02:03,600 desks 36 00:02:08,309 --> 00:02:07,680 get out of here if we concentrate hard 37 00:02:11,550 --> 00:02:08,319 enough 38 00:02:12,790 --> 00:02:11,560 maybe we can make him dissolve 39 00:02:19,830 --> 00:02:12,800 abracadabra 40 00:02:26,949 --> 00:02:22,309 i think we're as a world we're all 41 00:02:30,790 --> 00:02:28,949 well and and tim this is the perfect 42 00:02:31,110 --> 00:02:30,800 opportunity i guess to get out there 43 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:31,120 that 44 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:36,400 for sale 45 00:02:48,309 --> 00:02:46,869 yeah i've got about 15 cans of 46 00:02:52,630 --> 00:02:48,319 spaghettios 47 00:02:56,470 --> 00:02:52,640 and a beef stew in in a can 48 00:02:57,750 --> 00:02:56,480 and uh enough hot dog and hamburger 49 00:03:00,869 --> 00:02:57,760 rolls to 50 00:03:04,470 --> 00:03:00,879 uh last for a while i figure 51 00:03:06,630 --> 00:03:04,480 we'll have a fourth of july party 52 00:03:08,229 --> 00:03:06,640 okay well i've i've got the hot dogs and 53 00:03:11,509 --> 00:03:08,239 uh and hamburger so 54 00:03:13,910 --> 00:03:11,519 uh maybe uh maybe jim can uh provide the 55 00:03:17,190 --> 00:03:13,920 barbecue and some uh charcoal we'll have 56 00:03:19,190 --> 00:03:17,200 to conduct it all over uh skype though 57 00:03:21,589 --> 00:03:19,200 well you know i never want to see 58 00:03:25,589 --> 00:03:21,599 another hot dog again 59 00:03:27,270 --> 00:03:25,599 i am so tired i hadn't had a hot dog 60 00:03:29,350 --> 00:03:27,280 maybe twice a year 61 00:03:30,390 --> 00:03:29,360 and then when i had to start doing a 62 00:03:34,309 --> 00:03:30,400 little cooking 63 00:03:36,470 --> 00:03:34,319 for myself all i have is a microwave 64 00:03:38,470 --> 00:03:36,480 i seem to have stocked up on hot dogs 65 00:03:41,030 --> 00:03:38,480 because they do come in all kinds of 66 00:03:42,470 --> 00:03:41,040 flavors and hot and spicy and this and 67 00:03:46,550 --> 00:03:42,480 that and 68 00:03:49,670 --> 00:03:46,560 turkey and pork and beef and god knows 69 00:03:51,990 --> 00:03:49,680 what one brand even with cheese inside 70 00:03:55,589 --> 00:03:52,000 the hot dog which was a total waste 71 00:03:57,149 --> 00:03:55,599 uh but i i just grew a dislike for hot 72 00:04:01,030 --> 00:03:57,159 dogs now i 73 00:04:03,589 --> 00:04:01,040 i'm over that i would like an outback 74 00:04:04,470 --> 00:04:03,599 stake and they advertise that they 75 00:04:07,830 --> 00:04:04,480 deliver 76 00:04:08,550 --> 00:04:07,840 but it ain't true i'm like six blocks 77 00:04:10,470 --> 00:04:08,560 away 78 00:04:11,830 --> 00:04:10,480 and they won't deliver because it's too 79 00:04:14,149 --> 00:04:11,840 far away i 80 00:04:15,990 --> 00:04:14,159 they're in australia i i mean they can 81 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:16,000 come here and set up shop but uh they 82 00:04:19,349 --> 00:04:16,560 can't 83 00:04:20,390 --> 00:04:19,359 deliver uh steak and broccoli a couple 84 00:04:23,270 --> 00:04:20,400 blocks away 85 00:04:25,430 --> 00:04:23,280 so i find that very misleading but 86 00:04:28,950 --> 00:04:25,440 anyway we're not here to talk about 87 00:04:32,390 --> 00:04:28,960 food necessarily although i am 88 00:04:33,270 --> 00:04:32,400 i you know it is something to rejoice 89 00:04:35,270 --> 00:04:33,280 about that 90 00:04:36,790 --> 00:04:35,280 but there's nothing else to do actually 91 00:04:40,870 --> 00:04:36,800 sleep and eat food and 92 00:04:44,550 --> 00:04:40,880 watch i'm watching on i think it's a 93 00:04:47,590 --> 00:04:44,560 netflix uh ozark which is a very good 94 00:04:49,830 --> 00:04:47,600 uh series i guess they're in the uh into 95 00:04:53,030 --> 00:04:49,840 three seasons i'm only up to episode 96 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:53,040 five but it's uh flowing very nicely i 97 00:04:56,790 --> 00:04:55,680 kind of recommend that but anyway let us 98 00:05:00,070 --> 00:04:56,800 get on 99 00:05:02,390 --> 00:05:00,080 with the show for the evening 100 00:05:04,790 --> 00:05:02,400 tim what are we talking about tonight 101 00:05:08,070 --> 00:05:04,800 what what's what's our topic and who is 102 00:05:10,790 --> 00:05:08,080 our guest well our guest tonight 103 00:05:11,270 --> 00:05:10,800 and uh i'm i'm just always so happy when 104 00:05:14,070 --> 00:05:11,280 uh 105 00:05:15,670 --> 00:05:14,080 when jim can join us he's been on our 106 00:05:18,310 --> 00:05:15,680 show several times before 107 00:05:20,310 --> 00:05:18,320 let's welcome jim willis returning to 108 00:05:22,230 --> 00:05:20,320 exploring the bazaar and jim tonight 109 00:05:23,830 --> 00:05:22,240 is going to be talking about his new 110 00:05:26,870 --> 00:05:23,840 book the quantum 111 00:05:28,230 --> 00:05:26,880 akashic field now after graduating from 112 00:05:29,830 --> 00:05:28,240 eastman school of music 113 00:05:32,390 --> 00:05:29,840 jim became a high school band and 114 00:05:34,710 --> 00:05:32,400 orchestra teacher during the week and a 115 00:05:37,270 --> 00:05:34,720 symphony trombonist on the weekends 116 00:05:37,990 --> 00:05:37,280 a jazz musician at night and a quarrel 117 00:05:40,230 --> 00:05:38,000 conductor on 118 00:05:41,270 --> 00:05:40,240 sunday mornings now jim is the author of 119 00:05:43,749 --> 00:05:41,280 nine books on 120 00:05:45,830 --> 00:05:43,759 religion and spirituality he's been an 121 00:05:48,070 --> 00:05:45,840 ordained minister for over 40 years 122 00:05:50,230 --> 00:05:48,080 while working part-time as a carpenter 123 00:05:51,110 --> 00:05:50,240 he's been the host of his own drive time 124 00:05:53,430 --> 00:05:51,120 radio show 125 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:53,440 an arts council director an adjunct 126 00:05:55,990 --> 00:05:55,360 college professor in the fields of world 127 00:05:59,270 --> 00:05:56,000 religion 128 00:06:02,629 --> 00:05:59,280 and instrumental music now jim is 129 00:06:04,469 --> 00:06:02,639 also the author of really some of my 130 00:06:07,189 --> 00:06:04,479 favorite books uh 131 00:06:08,790 --> 00:06:07,199 ancient gods lost histories hidden 132 00:06:10,469 --> 00:06:08,800 truths and the conspiracy of 133 00:06:12,230 --> 00:06:10,479 silence uh the one we're going to be 134 00:06:13,590 --> 00:06:12,240 talking about tonight the quantum 135 00:06:15,670 --> 00:06:13,600 akashic field 136 00:06:17,350 --> 00:06:15,680 a guide to out-of-body experiences for 137 00:06:19,909 --> 00:06:17,360 the astral traveler 138 00:06:20,469 --> 00:06:19,919 and coming up very soon i think it's 139 00:06:22,950 --> 00:06:20,479 going to suppos 140 00:06:25,110 --> 00:06:22,960 it's supposed to come out in may uh 141 00:06:27,510 --> 00:06:25,120 hidden history ancient aliens 142 00:06:28,629 --> 00:06:27,520 and the suppressed origins of 143 00:06:30,790 --> 00:06:28,639 civilization 144 00:06:32,790 --> 00:06:30,800 so jim thanks for being with us once 145 00:06:35,430 --> 00:06:32,800 again on exploring the bazaar 146 00:06:37,110 --> 00:06:35,440 good to be with you both although uh tim 147 00:06:38,790 --> 00:06:37,120 i began to worry when i listened to you 148 00:06:40,550 --> 00:06:38,800 saying fly me to the moon i 149 00:06:45,029 --> 00:06:40,560 i worried a little that you had been 150 00:06:50,070 --> 00:06:48,070 but it's good well 151 00:06:52,070 --> 00:06:50,080 and you're uh we're happy to have you 152 00:06:54,950 --> 00:06:52,080 here but you know before we 153 00:06:56,390 --> 00:06:54,960 start talking about the akashic records 154 00:06:59,029 --> 00:06:56,400 i mean since you 155 00:06:59,430 --> 00:06:59,039 have written and researched into hidden 156 00:07:04,550 --> 00:06:59,440 uh 157 00:07:05,990 --> 00:07:04,560 have there been well we know that 158 00:07:08,790 --> 00:07:06,000 there's been other 159 00:07:09,749 --> 00:07:08,800 epidemics uh of course the last one 160 00:07:11,589 --> 00:07:09,759 being the 161 00:07:13,909 --> 00:07:11,599 spanish fluid i don't know why they've 162 00:07:18,309 --> 00:07:13,919 necessarily blamed it on spain but 163 00:07:21,510 --> 00:07:18,319 that was um 1917 1918. 164 00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:21,520 i i know about that because i was a 165 00:07:25,430 --> 00:07:24,160 editor of a short-lived magazine back in 166 00:07:28,309 --> 00:07:25,440 the 70s called 167 00:07:30,070 --> 00:07:28,319 front page disasters which i actually 168 00:07:32,309 --> 00:07:30,080 enjoyed doing because i learned a lot 169 00:07:34,070 --> 00:07:32,319 about history and a lot about disasters 170 00:07:36,870 --> 00:07:34,080 that i didn't know before 171 00:07:38,550 --> 00:07:36,880 but have there been cases in history 172 00:07:42,550 --> 00:07:38,560 that you know about 173 00:07:45,350 --> 00:07:42,560 where civilizations or groups of people 174 00:07:46,150 --> 00:07:45,360 may have been the white doubt now i i i 175 00:07:49,189 --> 00:07:46,160 think uh 176 00:07:52,390 --> 00:07:49,199 of roanoke in particular where the 177 00:07:55,270 --> 00:07:52,400 settlement totally vanished yeah 178 00:07:56,710 --> 00:07:55,280 yeah yeah you know there uh there have 179 00:07:57,430 --> 00:07:56,720 been a number of times as a matter of 180 00:08:01,189 --> 00:07:57,440 fact 181 00:08:04,950 --> 00:08:01,199 the identity of america really 182 00:08:06,710 --> 00:08:04,960 can be traced back to the europeans when 183 00:08:09,749 --> 00:08:06,720 they first came over here 184 00:08:12,070 --> 00:08:09,759 they came bearing diseases that 185 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:12,080 the native population simply could not 186 00:08:15,270 --> 00:08:12,800 handle 187 00:08:16,469 --> 00:08:15,280 when the spanish came into florida for 188 00:08:19,749 --> 00:08:16,479 instance 189 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:19,759 um they brought uh cholera and they 190 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:20,160 brought 191 00:08:27,749 --> 00:08:24,639 were the indians had no defense 192 00:08:28,749 --> 00:08:27,759 within oh just a matter of a decade or 193 00:08:32,790 --> 00:08:28,759 two 194 00:08:35,829 --> 00:08:32,800 95 of the population 195 00:08:37,990 --> 00:08:35,839 of uh florida the indians had had died 196 00:08:39,029 --> 00:08:38,000 that that's how difficult that's how 197 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:39,039 tough it was 198 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:41,360 same thing happened in new england the 199 00:08:47,030 --> 00:08:44,000 europeans came in the english especially 200 00:08:48,470 --> 00:08:47,040 and they came across uh these great open 201 00:08:50,389 --> 00:08:48,480 fields and they thought they were 202 00:08:51,509 --> 00:08:50,399 natural because they were overgrown and 203 00:08:53,030 --> 00:08:51,519 they thought that was the way it was 204 00:08:54,230 --> 00:08:53,040 supposed to be but what actually had 205 00:08:56,389 --> 00:08:54,240 happened was 206 00:08:57,990 --> 00:08:56,399 the early fishermen who came over to the 207 00:08:59,269 --> 00:08:58,000 outer banks when they would put ashore 208 00:09:02,310 --> 00:08:59,279 for supplies 209 00:09:03,829 --> 00:09:02,320 in new england uh cape cod and all the 210 00:09:04,790 --> 00:09:03,839 way up boston and all the way up north 211 00:09:06,630 --> 00:09:04,800 into maine 212 00:09:08,070 --> 00:09:06,640 they brought diseases with them again 213 00:09:11,670 --> 00:09:08,080 and the new england 214 00:09:14,070 --> 00:09:11,680 population of natives just absolutely 215 00:09:15,910 --> 00:09:14,080 it just decimated them just estimated 216 00:09:18,310 --> 00:09:15,920 them a a 217 00:09:20,230 --> 00:09:18,320 really interesting example was the first 218 00:09:22,230 --> 00:09:20,240 european who made it down the amazon 219 00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:22,240 river 220 00:09:25,430 --> 00:09:23,920 it was accidental he didn't mean to do 221 00:09:26,070 --> 00:09:25,440 it but he got stuck and couldn't get 222 00:09:28,870 --> 00:09:26,080 back 223 00:09:29,670 --> 00:09:28,880 and he reported along the way great 224 00:09:35,350 --> 00:09:29,680 villages 225 00:09:37,829 --> 00:09:35,360 with great populations and it was about 226 00:09:39,269 --> 00:09:37,839 50 60 years before anybody followed up 227 00:09:42,389 --> 00:09:39,279 and by the time 228 00:09:43,990 --> 00:09:42,399 they followed up uh they didn't find any 229 00:09:45,190 --> 00:09:44,000 of those civilizations that he was 230 00:09:47,750 --> 00:09:45,200 talking about 231 00:09:49,509 --> 00:09:47,760 uh in the amazon and they began to think 232 00:09:52,710 --> 00:09:49,519 well he just made it all up 233 00:09:56,070 --> 00:09:52,720 but now with the uh advent of the 234 00:09:57,509 --> 00:09:56,080 rain forest being taken down so much 235 00:10:00,389 --> 00:09:57,519 they're discovering 236 00:10:01,110 --> 00:10:00,399 a huge civilization that existed there 237 00:10:03,750 --> 00:10:01,120 and 238 00:10:05,430 --> 00:10:03,760 died within that 50 years of the first 239 00:10:07,590 --> 00:10:05,440 european 240 00:10:09,269 --> 00:10:07,600 contact and it was probably due to 241 00:10:12,470 --> 00:10:09,279 diseases 242 00:10:15,350 --> 00:10:12,480 it was just a real real tough 243 00:10:16,550 --> 00:10:15,360 tough time and i don't think that's 244 00:10:19,750 --> 00:10:16,560 going to necessarily 245 00:10:21,350 --> 00:10:19,760 happen to us but boy it certainly 246 00:10:23,829 --> 00:10:21,360 is enough to make you uh take these 247 00:10:25,509 --> 00:10:23,839 things seriously it's happened before 248 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:25,519 and uh we're getting an idea that we 249 00:10:29,430 --> 00:10:28,000 aren't quite as in control i think as we 250 00:10:31,829 --> 00:10:29,440 thought we were 251 00:10:32,630 --> 00:10:31,839 well that that's that's for darn sure 252 00:10:35,030 --> 00:10:32,640 but and 253 00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:35,040 now before we get on to the catholic uh 254 00:10:39,269 --> 00:10:36,880 uh records because i know that's 255 00:10:40,630 --> 00:10:39,279 your new book what what about the colony 256 00:10:44,069 --> 00:10:40,640 of roanoke 257 00:10:45,829 --> 00:10:44,079 what god's name happened to those people 258 00:10:47,350 --> 00:10:45,839 but it's hard to tell it's it's one of 259 00:10:49,190 --> 00:10:47,360 the biggest mysteries of american 260 00:10:53,269 --> 00:10:49,200 history they were there 261 00:10:55,190 --> 00:10:53,279 um and when when they uh 262 00:10:56,710 --> 00:10:55,200 you know they they were they were 263 00:10:59,910 --> 00:10:56,720 hurting we knew that 264 00:11:01,509 --> 00:10:59,920 they they really had troubles and they 265 00:11:03,829 --> 00:11:01,519 needed more supplies 266 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:03,839 and so they sent the ship back but uh 267 00:11:06,710 --> 00:11:04,800 the ship got 268 00:11:08,389 --> 00:11:06,720 got caught in the middle of european 269 00:11:09,509 --> 00:11:08,399 wars and didn't get back for a year and 270 00:11:12,470 --> 00:11:09,519 a half or so 271 00:11:13,190 --> 00:11:12,480 and when they got back to roanoke it was 272 00:11:14,949 --> 00:11:13,200 deserted 273 00:11:17,030 --> 00:11:14,959 and nobody knows to this day what 274 00:11:19,110 --> 00:11:17,040 happened uh i don't think that was 275 00:11:21,269 --> 00:11:19,120 probably due to disease 276 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:21,279 i think probably what happened was the 277 00:11:25,190 --> 00:11:22,560 people just got desperate 278 00:11:25,910 --> 00:11:25,200 and they had to join native tribes moved 279 00:11:29,509 --> 00:11:25,920 inland 280 00:11:32,150 --> 00:11:29,519 um possibly war we just don't know 281 00:11:33,509 --> 00:11:32,160 but uh that that's another great great 282 00:11:36,710 --> 00:11:33,519 mystery 283 00:11:40,069 --> 00:11:36,720 it is indeed now you you are well versed 284 00:11:42,389 --> 00:11:40,079 on on on history i can tell that where 285 00:11:43,430 --> 00:11:42,399 what what is your your your background i 286 00:11:46,470 --> 00:11:43,440 mean 287 00:11:48,710 --> 00:11:46,480 how did you come to study and become so 288 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:48,720 knowledgeable about this 289 00:11:52,870 --> 00:11:51,040 well you know it's a funny thing i i 290 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:52,880 went into the ministry back in uh 291 00:11:59,430 --> 00:11:56,160 or early 1972 something like that 292 00:12:08,550 --> 00:11:59,440 went to seminary and you know back then 293 00:12:12,310 --> 00:12:11,030 yeah i you know back then i was under 294 00:12:15,269 --> 00:12:12,320 the illusion that uh 295 00:12:17,190 --> 00:12:15,279 i i had a great interest in uh in 296 00:12:19,670 --> 00:12:17,200 history and biblical history and in 297 00:12:21,350 --> 00:12:19,680 spirituality which 298 00:12:22,870 --> 00:12:21,360 quite frankly has led to the quantum 299 00:12:25,269 --> 00:12:22,880 akashic field book 300 00:12:27,269 --> 00:12:25,279 but when i went in i just assumed i was 301 00:12:29,829 --> 00:12:27,279 going to be surrounded by a great 302 00:12:31,590 --> 00:12:29,839 uh community of people who were going to 303 00:12:33,030 --> 00:12:31,600 be interested in the same things i was i 304 00:12:33,990 --> 00:12:33,040 thought ministry was just going to be 305 00:12:36,949 --> 00:12:34,000 one long 306 00:12:39,509 --> 00:12:36,959 line of spiritual growth and i soon 307 00:12:40,949 --> 00:12:39,519 discovered uh as i became the pastor of 308 00:12:43,110 --> 00:12:40,959 my first church 309 00:12:45,190 --> 00:12:43,120 you get involved in the mechanics and 310 00:12:47,430 --> 00:12:45,200 the politics and the doctrine and then 311 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:47,440 the dogma and then the minutia 312 00:12:51,829 --> 00:12:49,200 and you're always planning what comes 313 00:12:54,230 --> 00:12:51,839 next the next sermon the next church 314 00:12:56,150 --> 00:12:54,240 service the next this the next that 315 00:12:58,550 --> 00:12:56,160 you get involved in the community and 316 00:13:01,030 --> 00:12:58,560 doing pastoral counseling and 317 00:13:02,470 --> 00:13:01,040 somehow 40 years goes by and you just 318 00:13:05,430 --> 00:13:02,480 say what happened 319 00:13:07,190 --> 00:13:05,440 so when my wife and i retired ten and a 320 00:13:09,269 --> 00:13:07,200 half years ago now 321 00:13:11,670 --> 00:13:09,279 we came up here to the woods of south 322 00:13:13,750 --> 00:13:11,680 carolina and we really came up here 323 00:13:15,670 --> 00:13:13,760 deliberately to go on a retreat we 324 00:13:19,509 --> 00:13:15,680 wanted to confront 325 00:13:22,629 --> 00:13:19,519 that essential spiritual reality 326 00:13:24,310 --> 00:13:22,639 that i had been seeking my whole life we 327 00:13:27,350 --> 00:13:24,320 wanted to uh 328 00:13:29,670 --> 00:13:27,360 to put it mildly wrestle with god i even 329 00:13:32,790 --> 00:13:29,680 had that bible verse in my mind 330 00:13:34,790 --> 00:13:32,800 it comes from a story of uh in the book 331 00:13:38,790 --> 00:13:34,800 of genesis uh 332 00:13:42,710 --> 00:13:38,800 uh jacob and esau the two brothers of 333 00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:42,720 of uh uh had had had a big fight and 334 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:46,720 jacob had to flee for his life and he uh 335 00:13:51,670 --> 00:13:49,920 took off and came back years later uh to 336 00:13:54,870 --> 00:13:51,680 reconcile with his brother east 337 00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:54,880 with it with his brother esau and in the 338 00:13:58,389 --> 00:13:56,880 night before they met he was worried 339 00:14:00,150 --> 00:13:58,399 what was going to happen he was pacing 340 00:14:01,350 --> 00:14:00,160 back and forth and the bible tells a 341 00:14:04,150 --> 00:14:01,360 story about how he 342 00:14:06,069 --> 00:14:04,160 he met this guy by the riverbank and 343 00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:06,079 wrestled with him all night and as the 344 00:14:10,629 --> 00:14:08,160 sun came up it turned out he discovered 345 00:14:13,829 --> 00:14:10,639 he had been wrestling with god 346 00:14:15,269 --> 00:14:13,839 and he said i will not let you go until 347 00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:15,279 you bless me 348 00:14:18,710 --> 00:14:18,000 and that was the bible verse that was on 349 00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:18,720 my mind 350 00:14:22,550 --> 00:14:21,360 i came up here to the woods and i wanted 351 00:14:25,829 --> 00:14:22,560 to confront god 352 00:14:28,069 --> 00:14:25,839 i wanted to say i i want to know 353 00:14:29,990 --> 00:14:28,079 the source i want to know manitou i want 354 00:14:31,670 --> 00:14:30,000 to know spirit i want to know god i want 355 00:14:33,509 --> 00:14:31,680 to know brockman 356 00:14:35,590 --> 00:14:33,519 however whatever name you want to give 357 00:14:36,629 --> 00:14:35,600 it i want to know that and i wanted to 358 00:14:38,470 --> 00:14:36,639 wrestle 359 00:14:40,550 --> 00:14:38,480 so we came up here to go on a retreat it 360 00:14:42,870 --> 00:14:40,560 was we built a house 361 00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:42,880 back here in the middle of the woods we 362 00:14:46,069 --> 00:14:45,120 started self-quarantining about 10 years 363 00:14:48,790 --> 00:14:46,079 ago 364 00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:48,800 and it's been working fine and lo and 365 00:14:54,949 --> 00:14:51,760 behold it it came to pass that uh our 366 00:14:57,430 --> 00:14:54,959 our our prayer was answered 367 00:14:59,030 --> 00:14:57,440 we wrestled with god and would not let 368 00:15:01,030 --> 00:14:59,040 go until we were blessed 369 00:15:02,870 --> 00:15:01,040 now god appeared to us in quite a 370 00:15:05,590 --> 00:15:02,880 different form than 371 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:05,600 the christian uh god that i had always 372 00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:07,120 pictured it came in much more of a 373 00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:08,720 shamanic 374 00:15:12,069 --> 00:15:10,959 experience but that was kind of the 375 00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:12,079 beginning of it 376 00:15:16,389 --> 00:15:15,440 um i have to tell you a sequel to this 377 00:15:18,150 --> 00:15:16,399 story though 378 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:18,160 a number of years ago i was asked to go 379 00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:20,240 over to cornwall in england and give a 380 00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:20,560 uh 381 00:15:27,509 --> 00:15:24,000 a talk there to a group about um 382 00:15:29,670 --> 00:15:27,519 ancient religion and so while i was in 383 00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:29,680 england i had to visit this little town 384 00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:31,680 called fenney compton which was up 385 00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:34,720 northwest of london 386 00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:36,000 i had to go up there because my 387 00:15:40,230 --> 00:15:38,320 ancestors hundreds years ago used to 388 00:15:43,509 --> 00:15:40,240 preach up there they were ministers 389 00:15:45,910 --> 00:15:43,519 uh clergy in the uh church of england 390 00:15:48,150 --> 00:15:45,920 and uh i i got up there and there was 391 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:48,160 the church where they used to preach 392 00:15:51,910 --> 00:15:50,160 and the town historian let me in and 393 00:15:53,670 --> 00:15:51,920 showed me the plaque that had the willis 394 00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:53,680 name on it that showed how far back they 395 00:15:56,389 --> 00:15:54,560 went 396 00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:56,399 and i stood in the pulpit and while i 397 00:16:00,310 --> 00:15:57,920 was in that pulpit 398 00:16:02,150 --> 00:16:00,320 where my ancestor had stood every sunday 399 00:16:03,829 --> 00:16:02,160 hundreds of years ago i looked across 400 00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:03,839 the sanctuary 401 00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:05,920 and saw a stained glass window that i 402 00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:07,120 had never seen 403 00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:08,720 the subject of the stained glass window 404 00:16:13,829 --> 00:16:10,639 before it was 405 00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:13,839 a picture of jacob wrestling with god 406 00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:16,320 saying i will not let you go until you 407 00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:17,600 bless me 408 00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:21,440 my spiritual ancestor somehow passed his 409 00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:22,160 dna 410 00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:26,160 on down to me and that was exactly 411 00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:29,920 exactly the verse synchronicity 1 412 00:16:36,069 --> 00:16:34,000 101. there it is talk about all the 413 00:16:37,269 --> 00:16:36,079 what we talk about all the time plays a 414 00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:37,279 big part 415 00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:40,240 in uh not only in the paranormal but in 416 00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:42,959 life and i don't think that most people 417 00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:45,199 really realize that i mean i i managed 418 00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:48,000 to come up with a 450 page book 419 00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:50,480 just about my synchronicities and we're 420 00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:51,680 not talking about 421 00:16:54,790 --> 00:16:53,519 looking at the clock and seeing it say 422 00:16:57,189 --> 00:16:54,800 uh you know four four 423 00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:57,199 four or thinking of somebody you know 424 00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:58,959 and they they call the telephone two 425 00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:00,079 days later i mean 426 00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:03,120 stuff much more intricate that 427 00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:06,720 it's impossible that it wasn't planned 428 00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:09,439 by someone or something or or i don't 429 00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:10,400 know it's just 430 00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:14,160 impossible really to uh uh 431 00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:21,350 life is a lot more complicated than we 432 00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:24,000 think but when when we came up here 433 00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:26,319 uh to go on to that retreat i hit the 434 00:17:29,110 --> 00:17:27,120 books and 435 00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:29,120 uh thank goodness for the internet it 436 00:17:32,150 --> 00:17:30,160 makes research 437 00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:32,160 uh you can do so much more research from 438 00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:35,120 home now than you used to be able to do 439 00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:37,840 and i came up here and i just found 440 00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:39,840 myself fascinated by 441 00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:42,000 ancient civilizations because we live 442 00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:43,840 here on a place 443 00:17:47,909 --> 00:17:46,480 where according to an archaeological dig 444 00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:47,919 which is right down the savannah river 445 00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:50,160 from us called the topper site 446 00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:53,200 uh human beings have been here 447 00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:56,160 for thousands of years i'm thinking and 448 00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:58,240 now according to the topper site perhaps 449 00:18:01,669 --> 00:17:58,799 40 450 00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:01,679 maybe even 50 000 years there has been 451 00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:02,480 an ancient 452 00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:05,440 uh culture that lived uh at least 453 00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:07,840 seasonally right here on the same land 454 00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:09,840 and when i began to be in contact with 455 00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:11,520 this culture through meditation and 456 00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:12,799 through dowsing 457 00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:15,200 and began to discover what was here my 458 00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:16,080 interest in 459 00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:18,960 history uh all of a sudden took off 460 00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:19,679 history 461 00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:21,200 classes used to be some of the most 462 00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:23,039 boring classes i ever took 463 00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:25,280 in high school and college but that uh 464 00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:27,360 boy that changed when it became real 465 00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:30,320 that was where my interest came well 466 00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:31,760 what would you say uh 467 00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:35,360 and and i i know this is a subject of a 468 00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:39,120 a future of work that you're involved in 469 00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:42,080 uh now what would you say maybe as a 470 00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:43,840 teaser to our listener 471 00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:46,640 is the biggest discovery or the most 472 00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:47,280 hidden 473 00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:50,320 fact about history that uh the 474 00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:53,919 public is not aware of 475 00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:57,360 i i think it's the the the part that 476 00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:58,799 continually 477 00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:01,200 baffles me is that i have grown 478 00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:02,400 convinced that we are 479 00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:05,919 a species with amnesia uh 480 00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:08,559 we have a history that i believe is a 481 00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:09,120 lot 482 00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:12,640 been taught 483 00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:14,720 i think there have been numerous lost 484 00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:17,520 civilizations and i think these people 485 00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:18,880 from what i can see about their 486 00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:21,520 mythology from what i can see 487 00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:24,880 about the uh the great um 488 00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,960 monuments they left behind the stone 489 00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:28,799 megalithic uh 490 00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:31,200 building that they did and from what i 491 00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:34,080 can hear about their oral history 492 00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:37,120 i am absolutely convinced that they saw 493 00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:38,880 the world different 494 00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:41,840 they had a different kind of mind than 495 00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:43,679 we do they had what i like to call a 496 00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:44,880 psychic 497 00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:47,520 tool kit they were in touch with the 498 00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:48,880 other side 499 00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:51,679 i think that ability is still inherent 500 00:20:07,750 --> 00:19:52,000 in 501 00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:07,760 that just doesn't take the time to be 502 00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:11,440 in touch like uh as as 503 00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:14,000 uh as as they were uh i think it was 504 00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:16,159 back socrates once said beware the 505 00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:17,039 barrenness 506 00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:20,320 of a busy life and out of history that 507 00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:22,480 is the big thing that i draw most of all 508 00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:24,400 um that we have 509 00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:27,360 a busy life but in many cases it's a 510 00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:28,640 barren 511 00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:31,919 life we don't know how to sit quietly 512 00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:34,799 and meditate anymore we don't know how 513 00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:37,440 to consider the big questions who are we 514 00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:40,400 what's it all about um this is what i 515 00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,080 draw from history and this is what i try 516 00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:44,400 to recount in my books to try to 517 00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:46,720 put ourselves in the place of these 518 00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:48,559 people who had this 519 00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:51,679 tremendous um psychic 520 00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:54,159 ability to do things perhaps even move 521 00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:54,720 great 522 00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:56,880 stones with with their minds with 523 00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:59,280 psychokinesis and that kind of thing 524 00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:02,080 uh i i think we're we're going to 525 00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:03,280 discover 526 00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,159 that um we need we're at a crossroads 527 00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:07,919 right now we need a deeper what i call 528 00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,520 spiritual life 529 00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,360 and that's that's the greatest lesson 530 00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:13,919 that i draw from history i think 531 00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:17,200 well now so are you a believer like in 532 00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:18,240 atlantis 533 00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:21,440 and uh leburia and 534 00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:24,480 and these other uh 535 00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:27,600 yeah you know i i never was uh all my 536 00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:28,000 life 537 00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,960 i thought those are just myths uh i had 538 00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,919 read plato 539 00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:34,320 and read his account of atlantis and 540 00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:35,520 everything else 541 00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:37,600 but the farther i get into it the deeper 542 00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:38,720 i get into it 543 00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:42,080 the more i i i like to call the atlantis 544 00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,200 tradition 545 00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:45,760 uh the more that means to me i think the 546 00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,280 atlantis tradition 547 00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,520 that plato talked about and that other 548 00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:51,120 other many many other 549 00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:54,320 ancient texts talk about describes 550 00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:57,360 a civilization that was 551 00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:00,480 uh once highly advanced 552 00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,600 in technologies that perhaps we don't uh 553 00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:06,240 understand it wasn't a computer type 554 00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,080 wires generators 555 00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:10,320 uh i think it was much more of a psychic 556 00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:11,120 mental 557 00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:14,400 type uh technology and i think 558 00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:16,960 they were destroyed and i think these 559 00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:17,919 were 560 00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:19,840 that was the basis of what we call the 561 00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:21,200 ancient gods 562 00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,960 these people when their whole 563 00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:25,120 civilization was destroyed in a day and 564 00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,080 a night 565 00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,080 uh and there i think there are physical 566 00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,600 reasons for that we can probably get 567 00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,880 into those but 568 00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,640 um when it was destroyed i think there 569 00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:34,159 were groups of them that managed to 570 00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,120 survive 571 00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,720 and they made their way throughout the 572 00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:38,480 world they made their way into turkey 573 00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:39,600 they made their way 574 00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,799 central america and eventually into peru 575 00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,320 and i think what they were doing in 576 00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,360 these places was jump starting their own 577 00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,760 civilization and because they were so 578 00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,600 much more advanced than the stone age 579 00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,280 people they were dealing with 580 00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:58,960 the stone age people who were our 581 00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,520 ancient ancestors remembered them 582 00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:04,080 as gods and i think these this is the 583 00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,440 basis of those 584 00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:08,400 ancient gods that we hear so much about 585 00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,039 well now 586 00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:11,120 do you think that there's a possibility 587 00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,480 that some of these 588 00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:15,360 uh civilizations or groups of people 589 00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:16,320 might have gone 590 00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:19,919 uh inside the uh much 591 00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:23,280 discussed the hollow earth and jim 592 00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,320 you're going to have to you're going to 593 00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:26,000 have to make that a yes or no 594 00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,039 answer because we have to go to our 595 00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:31,440 bottom of the hour break here so when we 596 00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:32,559 come back 597 00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:35,520 we'll we'll continue yeah we'll continue 598 00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,110 now back to exploring the bazaar 599 00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,279 with two of the most electrifying 600 00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:55,279 researchers in the paranormal 601 00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:58,559 your hosts timothy beckley and tim 602 00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,510 welcome back to exploring the bazaar i'm 603 00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,039 tim schwartz tonight 604 00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:07,840 our guest is jim willis now jim i'll 605 00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:08,320 give you 606 00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:12,960 tim beckley's question about the uh 607 00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,159 uh the possibility of uh underground uh 608 00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,320 civilization but we had to 609 00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,480 interrupt you for our break so now 610 00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:22,480 here's your chance to answer that 611 00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:25,760 well i you know i let's put it this way 612 00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:28,880 um i have a hard time accepting it 613 00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,360 but i'm not closing my mind to anything 614 00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,440 because there is more new information 615 00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:35,039 coming out all the time 616 00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,799 i just find all of this stuff so 617 00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,480 exciting i just love to read about it 618 00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,919 and study it and talk to other people 619 00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:41,600 who have their opinions 620 00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:44,320 it's wonderful that's that's one of the 621 00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:45,919 great things about studying history i 622 00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:48,000 think if we do it with a closed mind 623 00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,440 because something doesn't seem right to 624 00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,440 us we're in serious trouble 625 00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,200 that's right to keep your mind closed 626 00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,520 this new information bounces right off 627 00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:57,840 yeah absolutely absolutely all right 628 00:25:00,950 --> 00:25:00,080 well let's let's talk about uh your your 629 00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:00,960 most recent 630 00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:03,840 book uh the quantum akashic field a 631 00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:04,559 guide to 632 00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:07,760 out-of-body experiences for the astral 633 00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:10,799 traveler now i have to say jim this is a 634 00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:14,640 a a great book i really i learned a lot 635 00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,279 from that but i wanted to ask you and 636 00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:19,039 i'm sure our audience would like to know 637 00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:22,480 too what does the quantum akashic field 638 00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:26,559 have to do with out-of-body experiences 639 00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,880 i think the quantum akashic field um 640 00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,559 let's take the words one at a time first 641 00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:34,480 of all akashic is an old 642 00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:37,679 word comes out of india uh it's from the 643 00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:38,240 sans 644 00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:44,159 uh popular by irvin laszlo who talks 645 00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:45,520 about akasha 646 00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,679 and in his in his way of of viewing the 647 00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:52,240 existential reality that really is 648 00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,440 around us 649 00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,520 he talks about the akashic field as 650 00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:57,760 being the field in which 651 00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:01,520 all possibilities and all probabilities 652 00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,279 exist i like to look at it this way 653 00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,440 picture us in the source the place where 654 00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,960 we all come from and you can call this 655 00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,120 anything you want you can call it god 656 00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:13,919 um you you can call it brachman as the 657 00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:14,559 hindu 658 00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:17,440 jews the manitou the great mystery as 659 00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,799 the indians in the 660 00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,720 northeast where i come from used to call 661 00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,110 the ground of our being all that is 662 00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:26,720 whatever you want to call it it's 663 00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:29,760 like a source is as good as any 664 00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:33,200 uh in that source there is perfect unity 665 00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,400 there is only oneness and the one thing 666 00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,000 that perfect unity 667 00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,120 cannot experience is individuality 668 00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:43,279 so if we are going to experience 669 00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:44,799 everything there is 670 00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:47,520 we have to experience individuality so 671 00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,240 we move from the source 672 00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:52,640 our energy our essence moves from the 673 00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:55,440 source separates from the source 674 00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,760 so that we form uh the possibility 675 00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:02,000 or the probability of everything there 676 00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:04,640 is and that's the akashic field 677 00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:07,120 the akashic field operates in a 678 00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,720 different way than we do in just the 679 00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:10,480 last hundred years 680 00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,520 uh i think our scientists have begun to 681 00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,320 understand with mathematics what the 682 00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,240 ancient shamans with the ancient 683 00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,159 gurus what the ancient dowsers and 684 00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,840 mystics have known for thousands and 685 00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:23,279 thousands of years 686 00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:26,240 that there is more to being outside of 687 00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,720 this material existence 688 00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:30,080 i know there's a lot of scientists that 689 00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:31,840 like to say the material world is all 690 00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,440 that there is but 691 00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,039 no i don't think that's reality i think 692 00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:37,600 that's our reality so we move from the 693 00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:38,799 source 694 00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:41,600 into the akashic field that operates 695 00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,039 under the rules of quantum reality 696 00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,600 from there every possibility is going to 697 00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:50,000 be realized every possibility can happen 698 00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:51,520 every probability is going to be 699 00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,799 realized 700 00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:55,039 from the quantum akashic field we move 701 00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,399 through the newly discovered 702 00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:58,880 higgs field that's the field where 703 00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:01,120 energy is converted to mass 704 00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,799 that's the field in which we live with 705 00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:04,799 them on this side of the higgs field 706 00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:07,360 now this course is you know a simplified 707 00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,799 way of doing it but 708 00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:11,039 uh when einstein discovered that e 709 00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,840 equals m c 710 00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,919 square all he was saying was energy 711 00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,279 equals mass 712 00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,520 which is here times the speed of light 713 00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,840 squared when we come out of the akashic 714 00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:21,600 field through that higgs field 715 00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,360 which has just been discovered recently 716 00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,960 by the the uh the 717 00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:27,279 the great particle collider in in in 718 00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,399 cern in switzerland and in europe 719 00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,960 we did we come over here and all of a 720 00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:33,600 sudden we 721 00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:36,799 our energy takes on mass 722 00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,840 and the trouble with that is that when 723 00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:41,679 we take on mass when we 724 00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,080 take on these bodies and we enter into 725 00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:46,080 the field of evolution and enter into 726 00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:46,720 the 727 00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:50,559 around us 728 00:28:56,830 --> 00:28:54,320 in a sense we're surrounded by this 729 00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:56,840 five-fold fence as i call it this 730 00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,679 pentagon and the fence is made up of our 731 00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,799 five senses 732 00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:03,039 of sight and smell and hearing and taste 733 00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,240 and touch 734 00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,640 and it surrounds us and every bit of 735 00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,159 information 736 00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:10,000 that comes into our minds comes into our 737 00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:11,440 brains rather 738 00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:14,799 comes in to our intellect through these 739 00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,919 ven these this this fence and 740 00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:20,240 in one sense this has been a wonderful 741 00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,200 thing it has 742 00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:23,760 it keeps out too much information i mean 743 00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:24,880 for instance just take 744 00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,360 sight we can see the red orange yellow 745 00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:29,600 green blue indigo violet of the 746 00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:32,320 the spectrum of color and that's all our 747 00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:32,720 sense 748 00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,120 there's a lot of 749 00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,600 colors up now a lot of vibrations up 750 00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:41,600 above it microwave and all that 751 00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,240 we know there's a lot below us but our 752 00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:46,080 sense perception is just 753 00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:47,760 limited to that one thing and it's the 754 00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:49,840 same thing with touch and taste and 755 00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:50,720 hearing 756 00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:54,399 and smell so here we live in this fence 757 00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:57,440 and we have the audacity to say that's 758 00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:00,640 reality i don't think so at all i think 759 00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:04,480 the real reality is outside the defense 760 00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:06,080 inside the fence is just how we 761 00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:07,600 experience it 762 00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:09,760 and so when i talk about the quantum 763 00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:12,640 akashic field and out of body travel 764 00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:15,440 what i'm talking about is developing a 765 00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:16,640 system 766 00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,159 uh to be able to in effect in effect 767 00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:23,279 free our our minds 768 00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:26,559 from the information that's fenced 769 00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:29,360 in by our senses to move outside of our 770 00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:30,880 perception realm 771 00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,919 and to see a greater reality on the 772 00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:35,120 other side of the fence 773 00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,279 and that's that's really to me what auto 774 00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,000 body travel is all about 775 00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,559 now i was a big fan of uh robert 776 00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,000 monroe's books 777 00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,039 yes and and the way that 778 00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,399 that he described uh his 779 00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:53,360 uh personal experiences you know his his 780 00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:54,240 uh uh 781 00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,350 he described it as like um you know his 782 00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:05,440 his his spirit essence or you know her 783 00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,559 astral body 784 00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,399 you know would pop out of the physical 785 00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,480 body and and go around to 786 00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,640 different places now from your 787 00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:14,320 experiences though 788 00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:18,080 you have a feeling that 789 00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:21,519 that it may not be exactly like that 790 00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:22,640 that you know we 791 00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:25,320 we may be kind of uh almost anthropo 792 00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:26,720 anthropomorphizing 793 00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,880 uh this experience yeah yeah uh 794 00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,399 frankly i wouldn't be talking to you if 795 00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:34,080 it hadn't been for robert monroe 796 00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,600 uh he's the one who invented the word 797 00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:37,200 out of body experience 798 00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:40,240 and i uh he founded the institute monroe 799 00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:40,960 institute 800 00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:44,080 uh up in virginia where i studied for 801 00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:47,440 a a week with uh bill buhlman who i 802 00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:50,399 think is one of the greatest out of body 803 00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,000 practitioners teachers in the world 804 00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:54,880 today and um 805 00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:57,760 bob monroe also invented a wonderful 806 00:32:01,190 --> 00:32:00,080 technology which i use all the time in 807 00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:01,200 meditation 808 00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:04,480 called hemisink music uh his original 809 00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:05,519 field was in 810 00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,120 in technical aspects of radio and things 811 00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:12,000 and he invented this process just to 812 00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,200 make it real quick 813 00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:15,440 uh it what what it does when you put on 814 00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,480 earphones 815 00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:19,200 it adjusts the vibration sequencing to 816 00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:20,159 it to get your 817 00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:23,760 your your um the two hemispheres of your 818 00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,240 brain 819 00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:26,320 in sync so to speak that's why he calls 820 00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:27,600 it hemi 821 00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:30,640 and i use that in my own 822 00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:34,880 even at the end of his life though bob 823 00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,760 wondered a little about uh how he 824 00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:40,080 experienced it because here's 825 00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,159 here's the problem when i'm talking 826 00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,159 about getting outside of our perception 827 00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:46,480 realm outside of the fence 828 00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,519 language was invented to describe 829 00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:52,159 our perception realm it was described it 830 00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,279 was invented 831 00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,039 to describe the things with which we are 832 00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:57,279 familiar when we get 833 00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:00,320 outside of that perception realm 834 00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,679 we experience things which are 835 00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:06,080 at the time when you when you experience 836 00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,600 them they seem perfectly normal they 837 00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,799 usually seem beautiful 838 00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,200 lovely wonderful but when you come back 839 00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,960 in your brain takes over and you try to 840 00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:14,559 explain what you saw 841 00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:17,919 so you can't say this is what it was 842 00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:20,640 all you can say is this is what it felt 843 00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,440 like 844 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:24,720 to me at the time um 845 00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:27,760 and and actually uh bob talked about two 846 00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:28,720 different kinds 847 00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:31,600 of uh out-of-body experience the first 848 00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:31,919 was 849 00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,200 uh what he called etheric or local 850 00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,279 travel that was within 851 00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,360 the realm where he would talk about his 852 00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:41,440 body for instance going to visit his 853 00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:42,640 daughter 854 00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:44,799 i mean his his spirit going to visit his 855 00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:45,760 daughter his 856 00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:49,279 his soul his uh essence 857 00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,279 that's called etheric travel but there's 858 00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,039 another kind of travel too 859 00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,720 well etheric travel for instance was 860 00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:56,880 also the monroe institute was very 861 00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:57,360 instant 862 00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,640 and uh very uh important when dealing 863 00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:02,399 with the military when the military was 864 00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,679 trying to talk about 865 00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,480 and understand remote viewing uh this 866 00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:07,679 was etheric 867 00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,800 travel it was within our own earth so to 868 00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:11,919 speak 869 00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:14,000 astral travel is quite a bit different 870 00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:15,599 in astral travel 871 00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:18,960 you are actually traveling outside 872 00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,760 of anything we have experienced you're 873 00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,839 talking about other dimensions 874 00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,679 uh you're talking about other places in 875 00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,119 the multiverse 876 00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,879 and you're talking about seeing things 877 00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:30,240 that 878 00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:33,679 words just simply don't it don't explain 879 00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,240 now we have to say does something within 880 00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:37,679 our body 881 00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,960 actually go uh that's how bob monroe 882 00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,919 started that's 883 00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:43,679 believing toward the end of his life he 884 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:45,200 began to think 885 00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:48,480 maybe it isn't that maybe it's more 886 00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:51,520 involved in the quantum language 887 00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,720 of entanglement where 888 00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,680 a particle here is entangled with a 889 00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:58,960 particle there 890 00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:01,599 and they can exchange information 891 00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,760 instantly not at the speed of light but 892 00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,599 instantly no matter how far apart they 893 00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:07,680 were and at the end of his life he began 894 00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,560 to wonder 895 00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:11,040 whether the quantum language is it 896 00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:12,800 better explains it because 897 00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,040 it it talks about the fact that we are 898 00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:20,079 here but we are also there at the very 899 00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:21,280 same time 900 00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,920 and quantum reality is weird but it says 901 00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:26,079 particles even can be in two places at 902 00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,440 the same time 903 00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:29,680 and so maybe what we are doing is 904 00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:31,839 experiencing something that 905 00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,240 uh where we are already there it's not a 906 00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:35,680 matter of going there 907 00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:38,720 it's just a matter of in effect we are 908 00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,839 entangled with it 909 00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,920 so the information from there is coming 910 00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,119 into our 911 00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:45,440 minds our intellect at the same time 912 00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,480 does that all 913 00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,160 make any sense on this complicated 914 00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,160 answer but 915 00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:52,720 yeah it's well see to me it makes sense 916 00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,280 because 917 00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,960 uh you know i've always had the theory 918 00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,880 especially when it comes to dreams 919 00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:58,240 because you know sometimes you have 920 00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:59,040 dreams 921 00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:02,400 other times 922 00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:05,599 you'll have a dream that seems to be 923 00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:09,119 so real you'll be involved with people 924 00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:10,960 in that dream that you know you even 925 00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:13,680 have memories of past experiences with 926 00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,160 those 927 00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,160 people and then when you wake up there's 928 00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,000 almost like a sense of loss that 929 00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:20,000 you know you're not with them anymore 930 00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,200 and it makes me 931 00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,680 it has made me wonder whether or not our 932 00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:25,280 our consciousness 933 00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,880 actually extends across the multiverse 934 00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,200 you know parallel worlds and that 935 00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,359 as we're experiencing this reality at 936 00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:35,440 the same time we're experiencing maybe 937 00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,000 an almost 938 00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:38,560 you know infinite number of other 939 00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,960 realities so possibly when we're 940 00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:42,320 referring to 941 00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:45,760 um you know astral projection we're just 942 00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:46,560 becoming 943 00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:49,359 uh through meditation or whatever 944 00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:50,480 conscious 945 00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:53,760 of these other realities i believe 946 00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,079 you're 947 00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:56,320 absolutely correct i i would agree with 948 00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,520 you a hundred percent 949 00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,880 as a matter of fact i think a lot of 950 00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:00,720 people who kind of scoff at out of body 951 00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:01,440 travel 952 00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,960 when you begin to really talk to them 953 00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,880 seriously i think they have had the kind 954 00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:06,560 of dreams you talked about 955 00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:07,760 as a matter of fact i think that's one 956 00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:10,480 of the purposes of dreaming 957 00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:13,760 this world is so different uh i think 958 00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:17,359 at night we sometimes have to return to 959 00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:18,960 get recharged 960 00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,000 and i think many of our dreams are 961 00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,480 are really out of body experiences 962 00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,480 strangely enough 963 00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:29,200 i i've kept a dream journal now for 10 964 00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:30,240 years 965 00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,920 and i was amazed at finding some symbols 966 00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,960 in my dreams 967 00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,040 so many of the dreams that seem so vivid 968 00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:38,800 to me involved being out 969 00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:42,079 and doing something and then forgetting 970 00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:45,839 where i left my car or forget or 971 00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,839 getting in my car and not being able to 972 00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:49,440 find the way home 973 00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:52,560 and i discovered that in my brain 974 00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:56,000 the car was be was 975 00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,440 a symbol for the vehicle that is my body 976 00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,839 and my consciousness had actually left 977 00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,280 my body and when the 978 00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,839 experience was over i had to go look for 979 00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,520 the car look for the body so that i 980 00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:09,440 could come back home again 981 00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:13,200 um i think dream interpretation took a 982 00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:16,240 dare i say a quantum leap forward when 983 00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,440 we begin to uh to to take it seriously 984 00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,000 and uh equate it with uh everything from 985 00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:24,240 lucid dreams to out-of-body experience 986 00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:24,720 yeah 987 00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,920 i think you're right in your book now 988 00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:29,040 for somebody who 989 00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:31,760 is listening to the show and wants to to 990 00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:32,960 go out and buy it 991 00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:36,480 i mean do you provide 992 00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:38,320 i hate to use the word methods but you 993 00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,920 know i'm going to use that i'm sure 994 00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:42,240 i'm sure you've got you know a better 995 00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:43,359 term for it 996 00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:46,320 but do you provide ways that people can 997 00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:47,200 try 998 00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:51,200 practice and 999 00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:54,560 and maybe uh uh 1000 00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:57,359 have their own experiences yes i do as a 1001 00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:58,000 matter of fact 1002 00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:01,359 i i i really consider this a uh 1003 00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:04,160 a how-to book uh i have a five or six 1004 00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:04,800 point 1005 00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:07,520 uh method that i use i'm not saying it's 1006 00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,040 the only method i'm saying it's just the 1007 00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:11,280 one that has worked for me 1008 00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,880 and i developed this through study at 1009 00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:14,720 the monroe institute 1010 00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:17,280 um and i think a matter of fact when 1011 00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,320 bill bilman 1012 00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,640 does his seminars he tells people that 1013 00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:22,640 if anybody really wants to 1014 00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:25,359 experience an out-of-body experience if 1015 00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:26,320 they are willing 1016 00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,760 to devote 30 minutes a day for 30 days 1017 00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,440 and make it the most important thing in 1018 00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:33,839 their life if they're willing to say 1019 00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:36,320 at this time of the day i'm going to do 1020 00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,440 this and 1021 00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,359 nothing else is going to get in the way 1022 00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,200 it becomes that important 1023 00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,920 he said 30 minutes a day for 30 days and 1024 00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,520 you can have you will have an out of 1025 00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:47,359 body experience 1026 00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:50,640 i tried it and i've got to say if i had 1027 00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,960 quit 1028 00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,440 on day 28 we wouldn't be having this 1029 00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:55,119 conversation 1030 00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,720 but it it really does work you have to 1031 00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:00,880 find a time of the day 1032 00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,160 when it's not just 1033 00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,400 convenient you have to find a time of 1034 00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,240 day when everything comes together your 1035 00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,560 body has to be relaxed 1036 00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:13,040 and your mind your body is almost asleep 1037 00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:14,000 and your mind 1038 00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:17,119 is fully awake now some people i like to 1039 00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,880 do this early in the morning 1040 00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:21,280 but i it doesn't work for me after i 1041 00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:22,160 first wake up 1042 00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,079 because i'm always thinking about what 1043 00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,760 my day is going to do and i'm trying to 1044 00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,520 think oh boy how how long do i have to 1045 00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,839 go now before i can get about my day 1046 00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:32,079 and uh so that doesn't work for me and 1047 00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,760 if i do it late at night 1048 00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,119 it doesn't work because i try to 1049 00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,880 meditate and i fall asleep because i'm 1050 00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,359 tired believe it or not the only time 1051 00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,040 that worked consistently for me and i 1052 00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,280 did this for 30 days was 1053 00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,359 i hate to say this 3 o'clock in the 1054 00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,119 morning 1055 00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:49,760 i found myself waking up at about 5 1056 00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:52,160 minutes or 3 to 5 minutes after three 1057 00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,839 every single morning without an alarm 1058 00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,200 clock anything 1059 00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:57,200 and at that point i had already had some 1060 00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,920 sleep so my body was fully rested 1061 00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:01,520 but it really wasn't ready to get up and 1062 00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:02,960 go yet and 1063 00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:06,000 my mind was fully awake and so i would 1064 00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,480 get up 1065 00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,359 out of bed go to the special place that 1066 00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,920 was different put on the hemisink music 1067 00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:14,160 and i would meditate and i used to think 1068 00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,960 that uh 1069 00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,200 boy 10 minutes of meditation your mind 1070 00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:19,200 goes crazy you know it's chattering and 1071 00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:20,880 everything else 1072 00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:24,000 but i found that uh not only was it not 1073 00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,200 an ordeal i found that i really resented 1074 00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,280 when an hour went by and i had to quit 1075 00:41:32,829 --> 00:41:31,280 for some reason something said you've 1076 00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:32,839 got to go back 1077 00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,160 um and that is what began it for me 1078 00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,839 is that making sure it was the most 1079 00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:39,680 important thing in my life i felt that i 1080 00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,240 wanted to know the nature of reality 1081 00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:44,079 and it from three to four in the morning 1082 00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,520 that's when it happened now sometimes it 1083 00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:47,440 was longer than an hour 1084 00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,359 uh sometimes i would have an experience 1085 00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:51,760 that would go on for maybe two hours 1086 00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,560 sometimes nothing happens i i don't want 1087 00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,000 to give the impression that it 1088 00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:58,480 happens all the time sure but for me 1089 00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,800 that was that that worked 1090 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,640 now some people i know that i've talked 1091 00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:06,000 to uh 1092 00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,680 uh uh about this are interested but 1093 00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,839 they're they're somewhat afraid i mean 1094 00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:13,200 you know they're like well what if i'm 1095 00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:15,040 what if i'm traveling outside of my body 1096 00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:15,440 and the 1097 00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,319 you know the the the civil silver cord 1098 00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,480 breaks and you know i can't get back in 1099 00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,560 or i come back and find that something 1100 00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:24,480 else is has taken my 1101 00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,680 place or that while i'm out i'm going to 1102 00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:29,280 run into 1103 00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,599 you know what i think robert monroe 1104 00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,079 called them parasites 1105 00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,030 i've uh i used to be able to say i've 1106 00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:43,760 never had a bad experience 1107 00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:46,960 i think the universe the cosmos 1108 00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,079 uh akasha the spirit source 1109 00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:53,280 um i i think we are cared for too much i 1110 00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,800 think we are looked over and protected 1111 00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:56,880 in ways we can't understand 1112 00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,599 and i i wrote this in a book in my book 1113 00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,680 supernatural gods as a matter of fact i 1114 00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,640 wrote that i 1115 00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,720 i've never had a bad experience i was 1116 00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:07,200 about almost done with a book 1117 00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,839 and that night i had my one and only bad 1118 00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,480 experience 1119 00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,720 i'm sure it was kind of a way to keep me 1120 00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:16,480 humble and say hey 1121 00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:19,599 jim you don't know all this stuff 1122 00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:22,960 and yet i i don't think i i think we are 1123 00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:23,280 so 1124 00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:26,720 intimately connected with the body that 1125 00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,960 i don't think that's going to happen now 1126 00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:31,440 i have to give a caveat i have 1127 00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,160 come across people who had died 1128 00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,720 and didn't realize it or people who had 1129 00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:41,200 died who were so connected 1130 00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:44,960 with a particular place or 1131 00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,319 on earth that their spirits did not 1132 00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,400 realize they could go on 1133 00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,079 now they were not in pain or they were 1134 00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:54,640 not in panic but i have had a couple of 1135 00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:56,800 experiences 1136 00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,359 of being able to help people go on to 1137 00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:01,440 the light 1138 00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:04,240 and i don't say that that was they were 1139 00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:05,119 in any way 1140 00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:07,599 uncomfortable they just weren't quite 1141 00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,400 sure 1142 00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,800 what was going on now the monroe 1143 00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,720 institute runs a whole week-long seminar 1144 00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:14,400 up there and a whole group out there 1145 00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:18,000 devoted just for this to to find people 1146 00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,839 uh and help them move on to the next 1147 00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:22,079 level um 1148 00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,599 as a matter of fact they do they have 1149 00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,040 the resources to do a lot of their 1150 00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:26,880 research and they can get names and then 1151 00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,680 go back and look at records and see 1152 00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,680 i've had a lot of experience as a 1153 00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:32,880 minister of 1154 00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,680 being at the bedside of people who uh 1155 00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:37,680 have died and come back 1156 00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,880 uh near-death experiences and i've had 1157 00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,160 people i 1158 00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,640 i wish i had been more open-minded when 1159 00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:46,640 i was younger in ministry because 1160 00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,000 i'd have people i'd have people say um 1161 00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:52,079 well there's my uncle fred you know 1162 00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,599 there's my aunt so and so they're 1163 00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,800 waiting for me 1164 00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,560 and i would i wouldn't you know 1165 00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:59,440 discredit them but i would say oh 1166 00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:00,880 that's great you know and i wouldn't 1167 00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:02,800 believe it now i 1168 00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,160 i believe it 100 i think they really do 1169 00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,480 see that i think when kids come here uh 1170 00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,119 young kids they have imaginary friends 1171 00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,800 and we try to knock that out of them you 1172 00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,720 know oh down you're just making it up 1173 00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,400 i think they really do i think they they 1174 00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:18,240 are aware that they are being watched 1175 00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,280 over 1176 00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,280 and if anybody's worried about 1177 00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,440 out-of-body experiences the words that 1178 00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:25,359 are associated not only without a body 1179 00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:26,640 experiences 1180 00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:30,800 always words like 1181 00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:35,599 love compassion acceptance 1182 00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:38,240 i i think we are watched over i don't 1183 00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:38,640 think 1184 00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,960 really we have anything anything to fear 1185 00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,560 all right well we only have about two 1186 00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,160 minutes left in the program so 1187 00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:48,079 i want to give you the opportunity to 1188 00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,680 let our audience know 1189 00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,839 where they can find out more about where 1190 00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,040 they get your books 1191 00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:55,520 uh if you have a website and uh things 1192 00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,640 like that 1193 00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,960 sure uh well probably the easiest way is 1194 00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:01,200 through amazon 1195 00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,880 jim willis i think there's 12 books up 1196 00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:04,800 there now on amazon 1197 00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,599 but what i would love to ask people to 1198 00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:09,359 do is go to my website because there's a 1199 00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:10,960 contact page there and i'd love to have 1200 00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,599 people 1201 00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:13,040 share their experiences with me and 1202 00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:17,520 that's at www.jimwillis.net 1203 00:46:23,790 --> 00:46:21,680 and www.jimwillis.net and then there's 1204 00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:23,800 also a facebook page 1205 00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,200 jimwillis.author and i have a youtube 1206 00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,800 page where i do some reading and some 1207 00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,040 singing and some guitar playing and 1208 00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,119 talking and there's a couple of my 1209 00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,880 seminars that i've done 1210 00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:36,880 that are up on youtube and and that kind 1211 00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,960 of thing so that's probably the easiest 1212 00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,920 way and i just 1213 00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:41,440 love to hear from people about this 1214 00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:47,270 that you have a world of information and 1215 00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,480 i just want to 1216 00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,560 interject here uh something that 1217 00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,319 listeners may be interested in we're 1218 00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:54,240 just about ready to release 1219 00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,760 uh an updated version of psychic and ufo 1220 00:47:03,030 --> 00:46:59,119 revelations 1221 00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,040 in the uh end days and it's very apropos 1222 00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:04,960 to what's going on in the world today 1223 00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:07,599 it's got interviews with psychics and 1224 00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:08,079 and 1225 00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:13,040 lot of stuff that may uh 1226 00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:16,480 be of interest to our followers 1227 00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,880 uh out there so that psychic and ufo 1228 00:47:22,309 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